January 1919 – 42 Squadron RAF Photograph at Château Lantier, Abscon

In one of Greg’s albums is a photograph that has the caption “42 Squadron R.A.F. (Abscon) Nov 1918”.  The date is quite clear.  It is also quite wrong.  42 Squadron wasn’t at Abscon in November 1918.

Photo of 42 Squadron RAF at Château Lantier in Abscon, January 1919 (not November 1918 as captioned)
42 Squadron RAF at Château Lantier in Abscon, January 1919 (not November 1918 as captioned). Click for larger image. Credit: Greg’s War Collection.

42 Squadron RAF at Château Lantier, Abscon

How do we know that the location is right and the date wrong, and not vice versa?

Well, first, we know that the location – Abscon – is correct. This is because the background is recognisably Château Lantier, a former landmark of Abscon.  

Postcard view of Château Lantier, the officers’ mess for Abscon Aerodrome
Château Lantier in Abscon, from a contemporary postcard. Click for larger image. Credit: www.akpool.co.uk

Seen in this postcard photograph, the grand Château Lantier stood sideways on to what is now la Place du Général de Gaulle in the centre of Abscon.  In Greg’s photo, the officers and men of 42 Squadron are at the back of the château  – the opposite side from that shown in the postcard.

The château was a little over ½ mile (1 km) from the airfield.  But it would have been familiar to the squadron.  It was after all in the middle of the aerodrome’s ‘home town’.  And according to Anciens Aérodromes, some of the squadron’s officers were accommodated there.  Today, the building is no more.  Its site is now occupied by the town hall and various other buildings.  

January 1919, not November 1918

Secondly, we know that the date in the caption of the photograph can’t be right. The squadron wasn’t at Abscon in November 1918.  They were at Ascq at the start of November, and they moved to Marquain on Armistice Day.  Later, on 25 November 1918, they moved again to Aulnoy, near Valenciennes:

Tuesday 22 October 1918 – 42 Squadron RAF Moves to Ascq

When the Guns Fell Silent

Monday 25 November 1918 – 42 Sqn Moves to Aulnoy

Greg in the Frame

Greg is in the photograph, near the middle in the fourth row up:

Detail from 42 Squadron RAF at Château Lantier in Abscon, January 1919
Detail from 42 Squadron RAF at Château Lantier in Abscon, January 1919, with Greg indicated. Click for larger image. Credit: Greg’s War Collection.

We know that Greg came to Abscon from Saultain on New Year’s Day 1919, in what was his last flight.  He would be gone before the end of the month.  So the photograph – Greg’s last group photo – must have been taken in January 1919.  

Possibly the mistake in the date arose because of the similarities with a ‘B’ Flight group photograph at Ascq that was definitely taken in November:

Tuesday 5 November 1918 – B Flight, 42 Sqn RAF at Ascq

Tuesday 5 November 1918 – B Flight, 42 Sqn RAF at Ascq

On one of the first few days of November 1918, when other duties didn’t interfere, B Flight of 42 Squadron had a group photograph taken.  If it wasn’t taken on this day, then for various reasons it can’t have been more then four days earlier or five days later.

Group photo of B Flight, 42 Squadron RAF.
B Flight, 42 Squadron RAF. Click for larger image. Credit: Greg’s War Collection.

Faces of B Flight

Some of the faces are recognisable, but many are not.  Of those that are:

  • Lt. John Macmillan is second from the left of the front row.  (Thanks to Douglas Macmillan, John Macmillan’s grandson, for identifying him.)  More on Lt. Macmillan here:

Saturday 26 October 1918 – Prop. Split by Shrapnel

  • Next to John Macmillan, Greg is third from the left of the front row .
  • Capt. Bill Ledlie is seated fifth from the left, in the centre.  At his feet are a shield and Waso, Capt. Gordon’s dog.  More about Capt. Ledlie here:

Tuesday 27 August 1918 – No Flying – Bill Ledlie

  • Next to Capt. Ledlie is Capt. Cedric Gordon, seated sixth from the left.  More about Capt. Gordon here:

Friday 1 November 1918 – Shoot with Capt. Gordon

  • Next to Capt. Gordon is Lt Edward Ives (fourth from right), who had evidently returned to the squadron after his posting to the home establishment on 28 June 1918.  Thanks to Julian and Les Ives for confirming their grandfather’s identity.  More about Lt Ives here:

Saturday 29 June 1918 – CBP Cancelled by Weather

Today’s photograph looks like a more or less complete grouping of the officers and men of B Flight, 42 Squadron.  The photos taken at Rely and recorded in the post for 25 August 1918 were apparently just of the officers of the flight:

Sunday 25 August 1918 – Did Not Fly – 42 Sqn B Flight Photos

 

Sunday 25 August 1918 – Did Not Fly – 42 Sqn B Flight Photos

No flying for Greg today, for unrecorded reasons. So we take a look at some photos of the officers of B Flight, 42 Squadron RAF.

42 Squadron, B Flight Photographs

It would have been sometime around now when the following photographs of some of Greg’s fellow officers were taken. The location is almost certainly in front of the flight’s hut on the aerodrome at Rely.  Greg isn’t in either of them, so he may have been the photographer.

Officers of 42 Squadron RAF, probably B flight
Officers of 42 Squadron RAF, probably B flight, almost certainly taken in front of the flight’s hut at Rely aerodrome, Summer 1918. Click for larger image. Photo credit: Greg’s War Collection
Officers of 42 Squadron RAF, probably B flight
Another group photo of officers of 42 Squadron RAF, probably B flight, almost certainly taken in front of the flight’s hut at Rely aerodrome, Summer 1918. Click for larger image. Photo credit: Greg’s War Collection

In both of the above photos, the person in shorts in the middle of the front row is Captain William (‘Bill’) Ledlie, who was the commanding officer of the flight.  More on him another time.  And sitting on the sandbags at the end of the second row on the right, in both photos, is Lt Edward Ives – thanks to his grandsons Julian and Les for the identification.  More about Lt Ives here:

Saturday 29 June 1918 – CBP Cancelled by Weather

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